Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
Milt Perkins
Group,
Thank you to all that responded. If you would like to see the club layout as it is now go to www.shorttrackrr.org. If your ever in north San Diego county look us up 10am to 4pm on all Saturdays. The current layout was designed with XTrackCad 12 years ago by someone else.
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Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 08:37 AM, Phil in gorgeous Young Harris wrote:
Am I correct in thinking that the other person reviewing the design can see everything just like the original designer (who has all the parameter files), but modifications to the drawing may require those files? Only if the modifications needed are to add/replace or augment with (new) elements from the parm files. Moving or Deleting existing elements, or Joining, or Adding flexible track elements, or Draw elements, etc - can all be done without needing the original parm files. And if there are parm files with generally useful elements that we do not already ship inside the distro, we are always open to donations!!
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Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
100% correct
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Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
Phil in gorgeous Young Harris
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 02:22 AM, Adam Richards wrote:
In short, yes. The .xtc file does not depend on parameter file contents, the elements are all copied/cloned into the layout.Am I correct in thinking that the other person reviewing the design can see everything just like the original designer (who has all the parameter files), but modifications to the drawing may require those files? -- Phil from gorgeous Young Harris, Georgia, USA Digitrax, HO, WiThrottle, Arduino
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Re: Input error - track segment not on path
#beta
#Parameter
Peter, The old parm file would still be loaded at startup in Mac case even after being deleted from Windows because they have different settings files so it needs to be removed from each using the Parameter Files Menu. (Unload).
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Re: Input error - track segment not on path
#beta
#Parameter
Peter Borcherds
Seems I spoke too soon! This error only occurs on XTrackCad on my Mac. I can open the same file on my PC and it works fine, as soon as I open it on my Mac, it shows this error - I have loaded the same parameter files on both computers - I downloaded these from the files in this forum - is there another source for the parameter files?
-- Peter Borcherds
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Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
In addition to the answer of Adam: the current beta release is using a slightly different format for the .xtc files.
This means that once this version goes public and you move to that version, you friends have to use the same version too. However, there is no problem in reading older files from a previous version.
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Re: Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
In short, yes. The .xtc file does not depend on parameter file contents, the elements are all copied/cloned into the layout.
Adam
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Does a custom parameter file need to be included with an exported .xtc file.
Milt Perkins
Group,
I belong to a club that is building an extension to the current layout. I'm the designer of the layout on paper using XTrackCad. I will be exporting copies of the .xtc file to a "group.io" group. In the past I have exported the layout in .pdf form for approval. A couple of new member use XTrackCAd and want to view the file. The .xtc file will have items in the parameter list that I have drawn and use. The other users will not have a copy of this list on their computers I guess my question is "Does an .xtc file carry the information pulled from the parameter files (i e a building drawn for this layout and saved). This question comes from my CAD day where a newer version file might not show a feature when opened with an older version.
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Re: +Topography
#background
Robert Scott
Thanks for the information. I doubted that we could "spray paint". That is the effect I have in mind, smooth shading. Multiple polygons work. B On Monday, October 19, 2020, 04:59:28 p.m. EDT, Adam Richards <adamjmrichards@...> wrote: This work has shown me that the color pallette works in inscrutable ways, making it very difficult to create and save a suitable gradation of colors. This is a hangover from the days when XTrackCAD was born. Those of long memory may recall that early graphics hw support had to use a limited "palette" of colors. You could have any color you wanted but only 16 or 256 different colors. So it is that today, the colors users input are still "clustered" into a limited palette by seeing how far "off" a color is from ones already in use. Spray painting, however, is likely going to be beyond a vector-based (rather than raster-based) program. Things get complex with zooms and so forth. Adam
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Re: +Topography
#background
This work has shown me that the color pallette works in inscrutable ways, making it very difficult to create and save a suitable gradation of colors. This is a hangover from the days when XTrackCAD was born. Those of long memory may recall that early graphics hw support had to use a limited "palette" of colors. You could have any color you wanted but only 16 or 256 different colors. So it is that today, the colors users input are still "clustered" into a limited palette by seeing how far "off" a color is from ones already in use. Spray painting, however, is likely going to be beyond a vector-based (rather than raster-based) program. Things get complex with zooms and so forth. Adam
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Re: +Topography
#background
Robert Scott
Good day Joost, There are topo maps around that use shading to represent elevation above a reference point. The advantage is the drawing is not cluttered with lines and numbers. This work has shown me that the color pallette works in inscrutable ways, making it very difficult to create and save a suitable gradation of colors. Being able to "spray paint" the layout table, in the manner of Windows Paint, would be a tremendous help. Export the layout to Windows Paint, do the shading, then import back?? I do believe that this type of design aid would result in "better builds." The landscape can be used to create view blocks and control the perspective of viewers, but without tracks and the table, it is difficult to visualize the landscape needed as part of the design process. I would guess it's all about "better builds." B
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020, 08:03:12 a.m. EDT, Joost van der Waa <register@...> wrote: Hi Robert, For me the shading was not really showing the topography. Actually, If you hadn't asked this, I would not even have noticed it in the 3D-view. Give the fact that the Xtrackcad objects are flat, the 3D-view will always be limited. For me the 3D-view helped me to show some errors I made in indicating the proper height. Joost
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Re: +Topography
#background
Hi Robert,
For me the shading was not really showing the topography. Actually, If you hadn't asked this, I would not even have noticed it in the 3D-view. Give the fact that the Xtrackcad objects are flat, the 3D-view will always be limited. For me the 3D-view helped me to show some errors I made in indicating the proper height. Joost
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Hi Adam,
Given you explanation I would say: add the option, if that is relatively easy. My personal preference would still be to get rid of the arrowhead cursor, for me it does not really add precision. Would it be an option to give the user the choice between cursor shapes to solve the issues? With the system cursor you don't have to hide/show anything... Joost
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The deal is we have to pick between some imperfect solutions as we navigate between platforms and windowing systems. The situation of cursors and their behavior as they move between what are actually two separate widgets/windows (hotbar and drawing area) on Unix&Mac/Windows is not fully under our control. We are building on some divergent underlying technology stacks. As a result, the implementation is a compromise between competing user interests/requests. On the one side is precision and clarity of effect. On the other is ubiquity of the system cursor in spite of the misleading impression. What we could do is to have an option that says (don't suppress system cursor). I suspect that those who requested the change to suppress the cursor are among those that now dislike the suppressed cursor... But it would be relatively easy to give the option.
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Re: +Topography
#background
Robert Scott
Have the viewer thanks. It's the topography between the tracks and structures that I am trying to represent with shading, light to dark, low to high. Is it successful? B
On Monday, October 12, 2020, 11:10:50 a.m. EDT, Joost van der Waa <register@...> wrote: Something like this? I used Xtrkcad viewer, see http://mwik.altervista.org/
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Re: +Topography
#background
Something like this?
I used Xtrkcad viewer, see http://mwik.altervista.org/
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+Topography
#background
Robert Scott
Good morning.
There has been interest in having a 3D view of our designs, before commiting saw to wood. Often, what looks good on "paper" doesn't work out in practice. Attached is a layout file, Beta 3.0, with a color topo created in layers 14 to 21. Play with the colors, turn the layers on and off, see how they have been modified. I am interested in how well the topo layers work, how well they aid in visualizing the finished product, It's also a hell of a lot of work. Shortcuts, anyone?? B
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Peter Borcherds
Yes, I experienced the same issue last night (Windows 10). Haven’t tested it on my Mac yet.
-- Peter Borcherds
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Re: Beta 3.01 Error when Grouping - No Endpts
#Bug
Known bug at Beta 3.0 - all groups with no tracks are complaining - fix already pushed to BSF.
Adam
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